The EPGP DKP Fan Thread

[Myth]

Hey guys,

I read the other thread in here about loot systems a week and a half ago, and we switched over to EPGP a few days later and haven't looked back. This system is very very well done, and I figured we might want to give it its own thread.

The overview of the system is, from my vantage point:

1. Entirely in-game
You need 0 websites up to track people's DKP for them, the EP/GP values are in the officer notes.

2. Loot process is amazingly fast
Every piece of loot that a boss drops can be chosen upon at the same time. Plate-guys are needing/greeding on plate while the clothies are choosing for the Cloth. 60 seconds after the loot is announced, everybody has chosen and the ML can just click it off to the right people.

It cut our looting time down to a third.

3. The addons are amazing - EPGP itself...
This is where the system really shines. EPGP addon itself is fairly straight forward, it is about the standings and the ability to award points.

But it also tracks every item you see, so if you have to add an item later in the raid, it will be available to select and add quickly.

3. ....and EPGP Lootmaster is the best
The loot master just takes the cake. This is where every item announced gets to be chosen on like a regular group loot need/greed/pass or mainspec/offspec/pass.

The addon is remarkably pro:

It's so natural for people to use these buttons, that I have to remind people all the time not to greed for Disenchant. :P

The data gets passed to the lootmaster window, here:

Everyone who can't use an item will autopass. A shaman passes on swords, a mage passes on plate in order to speed up.

All the values you need are in this window:

- Prio rating, the EPGP system's standings
- There's a roll the addon does for everyone in case of ties or in case you use that in your system
- There's a link to the bidder's current item, so the Loot Council - if you use that - can easily inspect and make a call.
- Disenchanters who pass on an item are noted as PASS: Disenchanter (450 skill) for faster looting there
- The addon itself lets you master-loot every green or blue BOE item to a disenchanter by just touching the item. (no more loot treshold epic, and loads more enchant mats in bank)
- And the right click menu lets you add an item to someone for various prices, like the 50% price we make alts pay for loot, or for Bank/Disenchant/other.

Lastly, the LootMaster addon works together with raid trackers like CT_Raidtracker and the - imo - vastly superior Headcount. When you give out an item, it'll tell you "added this item to Headcount", and that's just awesome.

Even if this addon is entirely in-game, we are hoping to still track the loot on a webpage - Headcount lets us export raid data in EQDKP format for the EQDKP Plus CMS that we use, OR export it as PHPBB code which can be posted with itemlinks and more on a PHPBB forum or any of the million clones that run Itemstats.

4. You can customize the values as you want

We go for about 2500-3000 possible EP earned by bosskills in a week, and decay by 10% each week. Alts pay 50%, offspecs for mains don't pay - this is because we're running dual Naxx every week, so we can gear the alts. They get EP, but they don't pay full GP so you still gain prio on your main by raiding with an alt too. 100 Base GP and about 1.500 min EP.

It's geared for Naxx and dual runs, we'll change it if we can't do the same in Ulduar. We at least WON'T keep people unsaved for a second run until it is on farm.

Hope this was useful to some, I'm sure someone with more experience in this will be able to add something I haven't discovered yet, but after a week we're more than happy with this change, we actually can't really believe we ever used anything else.

/myth

[Lytebohlt]

I love the interface for the addon. Is there anyway it could be easily modified for use with a loot council system?

IE still have the need/greed/pass option with the loot master getting that info along with the item it would be an upgrade from transmitted to him in that nifty big window?

[Myth]

Yeah, that's what happens? Everyone can watch the window with the right settings:



That way, you'll all be able to see that. I don't know what happens if you don't have values in the officer-notes tho, since we like all of the mod - but it's so smooth that I doubt it will bug way out for that reason.

You can install it yourself and test - EPGPLootmaster on curse, go in a raid group with MasterLoot, say yes to using the addon and type "/Announce ITEM".

[Zapfcarn]

The sceptics about this system is pointing out that officer notes can be cleared on server resets. Personally Im abit sceptic about having my whole dkp system saved in a note that isnt protected enough.

Up until now we have been using a modded eqdkp for EPGP(Yes, we are using it too )
But right now I am in the process of making my own tool for tracking EPGP.

[b0sh]

Originally Posted by Zapfcarn

The sceptics about this system is pointing out that officer notes can be cleared on server resets. Personally Im abit sceptic about having my whole dkp system saved in a note that isnt protected enough.

Probably, this is not a problem since version 5.3. You can save the standings on EPGP site http://epgpweb.appspot.com/ and restore them if needed.

[Myth]

Yeah, that's not really a concern for me - whenever we finish a raid or any other major adjustment, I export it to the appspot-page.

I think the guys at EQDKP Plus plan support for EPGP in their next release. Which is fine and all, but as far as I can see the only REAL need the system has is web-based raid- and loot-tracking.

Standings and calculations are done just fine by the in-game mod, and that's where I think most web-based systems break their neck as they try to incorporate too much math in something that could just as well just be static.

[Yukii]

Ok I'm sure it's written somewhere obvious and I missed it... but I can't figure out how to award EP with this addon.

Do I just type a number in the officer's note such as "20" for adding 20 EP?

Also, is there a way to see the screen when not looting?

EPGP Lootmaster addon did not specifically state that you had to be in the guild... is there a way to track EP for non-guild members?

Thanks!

- Yukii